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ad·vice
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guidance or recommendations concerning prudent future action, typically given by someone regarded as knowledgeable or authoritative.


au·thor·i·ta·tive
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Granted I haven't written the book an anything. Anyone else but you that has apparently posted exudes more of the above qualities than you. What is another 400 feet or so across 7/8ths of a mile? On most trails nothing much. On the two trails i Illustrated. there is a marked difference. I'd love to see you just dress warmly and hit up the Huntington Ravine trail with some microspikes. When we mean "crampons" we mean crampons.

One trail is an easy jaunt in the woods the other is a technical climbing course. I'm pretty much done here. You are a troll looking for attention. Your arguments here have no merit as you are over your head.



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I think post #26, by GG, is where this thread went troll-y. Up until then, my point was only that Tecumseh is a terrible suggestion. I admit I haven't 100% redlined yet, but I've been to Tecumseh, and I've been to other places that are also on the list that are way better. Even from my limited catalog of experience, Tecumseh would be the worst possible suggestion.

I dare anyone reading this to make a convincing case for Tecumseh being a better "proving ground" for winter hiking than Jackson, Pierce, or others that have been suggested. What makes it so suitable? You can't tell me that the Crawford Path is going to be significantly more dangerous than the Mt Tecumseh trail on January 30th, 2016. Yet, Tecumseh won the vote in a landslide. How is that possible?

It's because some folks here think they need to treat the OP like a baby. Gibba proves that point brilliantly with his Huntington Ravine Paradox. You really need years of hiking in the wilderness to know that steepness is a factor in a trail's difficulty? You have to be a hardened mountaineer to know that steepness is a function of distance and elevation? That's absurd. Just because I haven't scaled a cliff of ice doesn't mean I can't read a map and do math.

And that's my point. When you folks suggest tecumseh not because its a great experience, not because it has fantastic views, not because it's a rare gem of the wilderness, but because of some delusion among the forum regulars here that they are in some higher class of hikers and the noobs belong on the kiddie slopes.

GG - you turned this whole discussion into something person with post #26, so if anyone should be blamed for the de-rail it's you. And your entire attitude is further evidence of the condescension that exists here. I'm not going to red-font you but it's pretty obvious that you enjoy making bold assumptions with no knowledge of what you're even talking about. You said something about 3 season boots, as if I don't know that I should wear winter boots in winter. Seriously? You keep talking about crampons as if they are even a factor here. The OP listed his equipment and he doesn't have them. So going to Tecumseh to practice his crampon technique would be pretty god damn stupid. Maybe you should go read the entirety of the traction thread from November that you quoted and see the part where the advice given was "hillsounds and snowshoes will cover 99%". You seem to be mentioning crampons just to squeeze in some kind of brag that you know how to use them. Who cares?

Your condescension is on full display in your ignorant and completely baseless assumptions about my winter hiking experience. You know, GG, just because I don't post a picture of every tree I walk by doesn't mean I'm not out on the trails. Funny, you accuse ME of seeking attention, but is there a thread anywhere on this site where you haven't had something to say? How many times have you posted a link to one of YOUR trip reports as a response to someone else's?

After making the previously quoted traction thread, I went up Cannon in late November. It was plenty icy. And I'm pretty sure that ice is just as slippery in January as it is in November. After that, I went up Jackson and Webster. Snow and ice everywhere. Temps in the teens and 20's. Sure felt like winter. I did Pierce and Eisenhower on Dec 6th, and I don't think anyone would call the weather "fall". As you know I hiked the uncanoonucs with the kids, but hiked there again myself after a snowstorm on New Year's day. I made a figure 8 over both and followed that up with a stroll around the Pulpit Rock area. Additionally I went up Mt Pemigewasset two weekends ago with snow on teh ground and temps in the teens. The Unc's and Mt Pemi were only chosen because of time constraints, otherwise I would have been eager and ready to do a 4k. I'm a guy who can get things done, but I'm afraid I can't control what time the sun sets. Wait......how did I know I shouldn't hike in the dark in unfamiliar areas?. I didn't get that instruction from an experienced woodsman. I guess it was just a lucky instinct hmm?

My point, GraniteGuy, is that your assumptions about my having zero winter exposure are WAY off, and the product of your own condescending elitist attitude that you are some master mountaineer and that everyone else needs to earn the privilege of hiking in the same places that you hike.. I think I have enough of a resume to make a better suggestion than Tecumseh for next Saturday. In fact, I'm making the EXACT SAME DECISION as the OP for making my own weekend plans. That's why I feel that my opinion is uniquely valuable. No one except the OP and I can claim to have put more thought into the question "which 4k would be an ideal site for my initial winter summit on 1/30/16.

All indications are that the OP is fit and prepared. There is no reason to treat him like a blind hemophiliac with a calcium deficiency and low blood sugar. The only argument for Tecumseh seems to be safety, and I'm having a really hard time seeing why Tecumseh is SOOOOO much safer than at least a dozen other options. I mean, Cannon offers heated buildings at the summit after a mere 2 miles, and an option for a motorized ride down in an emergency. It's also got ten times better views and is closer to the highway. But no....that's a "big boy" hike, and the OP hasn't 'made his bones' yet right?


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You can't control what time the sun sets? Noob!


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Aye yai yai!


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Thank you to everyone for their advice. I truly do appreciate it.

I'll post pictures with a report when I get home on Saturday. According to mountains-forecast.com, it could get a little dicey in the afternoon, so I may start out early up Pierce or Liberty, and see if I have the time and the legs/gear to make it over to Jackson and Flume, respectively.

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I'm just gonna throw this out there:

I hike in the winter with more gear than I hope I'll ever need, but I know if I get injured out in the wilderness, I can survive overnight. It's not as easy as you think. Get all bundled up, then lie down in the snow and see how long you can stay there. If I pop a knee or break a leg (which is more likely in winter) I have everything I need to fix it or hunker down in the woods overnight. These days, you have to, otherwise you're considered negligent and get fined out the ass by SNR. Before I started hiking 4Ks in winter, I did the AMC's workshop on advanced winter hiking, and learned way more than I expected. Since then, I've used every piece of my emergency gear... but to help others who were absolutely not prepared for what they were doing.

I think winter hiking is much easier. No roots, no rocks, and in most cases you have a nice stamped-down path to simply walk up to the summit. If you have the right gear, it's alot of fun, and like BrianL said, it really is a no brainer. BUT, you have to be smart and be prepared in order for it to be a no brainer. You can't be flippant about it, and you really need to be cognizant of the increased propensity for injury, and be prepared for it.

That said, if you're new to winter hiking but you're prepared, confident yet cautious, and are willing to turn back when you encounter something you aren't comfy with... then by all means, proceed. If you want to go big or go home, do so... but just don't go further than you're certain you can do. Getting to the top is optional - getting to the bottom is mandatory.

I felt like Tecumseh was recommendation in keeping with the OP's goals. My first hike up Tecumseh was from the ski area back when there was no view. My last hike was a couple years ago with GrindBoy up the nice 3 mile trail... and I appreciated the summit more than BrianL because I was there when it really was a friggin waste of time. These days, it only mostly is... but so is Waumbek, Hale, Galehead, and a handful of other boring mountains.

BrianL - I like your Ike/Pierce idea. Pierce was my first winter 4k. When you get to Pierce, you can decide whether or not to do Ike. It can be an easy hike, or a harder one... and you can decide based on how you feel. IMO, that's the best of both worlds - options that exist throughout the hike.

In the spirit of harmony, we should all agree that Tecumseh sucks in winter and summer, unless it's being done as a ridge traverse down to Welch/Dickey.

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