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 Safe hike or better to drive away? 
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 Safe hike or better to drive away?
I was in between sales calls today and had some extra time and was within thirty miles of AMC mount cardigan lodge. So of course I had to go there. When I got there the sun was thinking about poking out. Pepper and me got out to roam around. Pepper is my dog. It was 6 miles round trip to the summit by way of fire screw summit. Now I had with me, cell phone with built in compass, a long sleeve 100 percent cotton shirt, long dungarees(jeans). I had my waterproof hiking boots on. And we had just eaten lunch. We did NOT have a map, water, no other clothes, no pack and no one knew we were even considering hiking anywhere. They did have a map on a poster that we could study with trip suggestions and mileage. QUESTION, should I hike or drive away? I'll tell you what I did in a few days.


Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:14 pm
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FOr me the no water is a dead deal. But that is because I suck water up like a dam. I could never do a hike even of moderate length like Cardigan without at least 2 liters (3 all the better). But every other condition....meh, I don't see a problem. Maps are nice, but it is Cardigan afterall, and if you stick to popular trails that are well blazed and tramped you should not get lost. So with no map compass is really not that big a deal either. Cotton? Well, like I keep saying, it's just Cardigan and a pretty nice day, not Mt. Washington in mid October. Honestly the "Cotton kills" mantra is overblown. Yes it can kill.....under certain conditions. I wore all cotton on a Bonds traverse one time, and even got rained on pretty heavily. You can take from this post that I did not perish. I had my synthetic rain gear and the temps were your typical mid summer. In fact, I may very well have worn cotton (or at least cotton shorts) the last time I did Cardigan. Can't be sure.

So having said all that, if you throw in the water I would have gone for it. 8)

Brian


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Too long for no water. Grab a bottle and maybe an energy bar or two, and enjoy!

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Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:47 pm
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I completely agree with Brian. The lack of water would have made me drive away.

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Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:51 pm
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I didn't have a water bottle with me and the closest store is almost a days journey away, well to far away to go to and come back at least. No bottled water at the lodge, but There was a hose.


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I would have been miserable without water. I would drive away.


Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:39 pm
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While the idea that my car would be clean enough that I couldn't find something to carry water in is laughable, depending on my mood I would either drive away or take my chances with streams.

So that's one more for seeing water as the critical element.

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it's just Cardigan


The hardest, dumbest, most miserable and dangerous hike I ever did was Cardigan in early April(guess which trail).


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At the very least, no water for the puppy is a deal killer.

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Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:20 pm
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No water is the only thing that would make me skip it. I've never done Cardigan or been to that lodge but there's really NO water available at the lodge? Don't all AMC lodges sell overpriced water bottles and have faucets? Ziplock bags? Nothing anywhere for real?


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I'll jump on the water wagon as well. I hydrate a lot so no water for 6 miles would not work. But even if I would have considered for myself I never would have forced a dog to go a hike 6 mile hike without water.

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Well I agree I personally would need water- I have done some small hikes (.5 mile) without water and regretted it. I think there are streams though that the dog could have drank from. But I wouldn't consider it if I didn't have any.


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Get lost, fall, and break an ankle …

OR just fall and break an ankle....


How long before anyone misses you and worries enough to call the Police?

No one knows you went hiking until they find your car at the trailhead.

You have no food.

You have no water.

You have no shelter from rain or wind.

You have no way to create a fire.

You don't have an adequate map.

You have a compass/light via the cell phone that both rely on a finite power source [battery].

You have clothes that may not be warm enough at night and, if it rains, that wet cotton is going to make it even more difficult to stay warm.

At that point, you are relying on getting cell phone service in the mountains.

Did you know that you should actually head up the ridge in this case rather than following a drainage to a stream and then downstream to civilization?

When you manage to get to the ridge, you may not have cell phone service.

Maybe Lassie will find her way home and tell Mom that Timmy is in trouble. :wink:

Now you may have done this hike and had a great day. But that does not make it a wise decision.

If the scenario I described unfolded, the hiking BBs would be having a field day discussing your choices.

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I can't wait to tell what I did!


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hatrick1073 wrote:
I can't wait to tell what I did!


Based on your name I am guessing you tipped in a defenseman's slapshot that was going in anyway and then celebrated. :)

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hatrick1073 wrote:
I was in between sales calls today and had some extra time and was within thirty miles of AMC mount cardigan lodge. So of course I had to go there. When I got there the sun was thinking about poking out. Pepper and me got out to roam around. Pepper is my dog. It was 6 miles round trip to the summit by way of fire screw summit. Now I had with me, cell phone with built in compass, a long sleeve 100 percent cotton shirt, long dungarees(jeans). I had my waterproof hiking boots on. And we had just eaten lunch. We did NOT have a map, water, no other clothes, no pack and no one knew we were even considering hiking anywhere. They did have a map on a poster that we could study with trip suggestions and mileage. QUESTION, should I hike or drive away?


This scenario describes a hiker woefully unprepared for the myriad of things that could go wrong. Drive away. Or at the very least, make sure Pepper knows which pocket your car keys are in so the smarter mammal of the two will get home alive.


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