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Author:  Kathy [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  New Bushwhack Regs??

Saw this on NewEnglandTrailConditions from a guy who was hiking Isolation last night:

"...the leader [of an AMC group] informed me that new regulations require whacks to stay within 1/10th mile of an established trail."

Wait. What?? Am I the only one (besides the OP) that this is news to?

Author:  New Hampshire [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

If it was an AMC group maybe....maybe...it was a new "regulation" the AMC is imposing on it's "officially led" hikes? I have never heard of any new regulation along that line from official sources like USFS (and believe me, with my connections in the 'whacking community, I WOULD have heard of this before now.) Even if it were a USFS thing, I would not even begin to guess how they could enforce it. Let me put this out to some contacts in the 'whacking community and see what I can turn up.

Brian

Author:  Kevin Rooney [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

It only applies to AMC-lead hikes in designated wilderness zones. Practically speaking, there are only 2 4K peaks affected, Isolation and Owls Heads. AMC-lead hikes, lead by chapter volunteers, or by AMC-Boston with paid leaders, are required to stay on trails in designated wilderness areas. Therefore - an AMC-lead hike can do Isolation using the trails, but not using the shortcut bushwhack across Engine Hill (which doesn't really save any time, but does avoid 3 brook crossings).

It's not a new USFS requirement. Rather, they're enforcing an existing one.

Author:  Kathy [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

Yeah. I knew the EHBW on Iso didn't save time but did save some of the river crossings. For that matter, though I have yet to get there (B-Ryan, I'm lookin' at you!) I understand the Black Pond Bushwhack doesn't save much time either.

OK. Seemed weird to me. Got it.

Author:  Kevin Rooney [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

Kathy wrote:
... I understand the Black Pond Bushwhack doesn't save much time either.


In my experience, people don't use the Black Pond route to save time so much as to avoid two major river crossings. Certainly that's the reason I use it when doing Owls Head.

Author:  Kathy [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

Kevin Rooney wrote:
Kathy wrote:
... I understand the Black Pond Bushwhack doesn't save much time either.


In my experience, people don't use the Black Pond route to save time so much as to avoid two major river crossings. Certainly that's the reason I use it when doing Owls Head.

My point exactly about the Engine Hill Bushwhack for ISO

Author:  Raven [ Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

Kathy wrote:
Saw this on NewEnglandTrailConditions from a guy who was hiking Isolation last night:

"...the leader [of an AMC group] informed me that new regulations require whacks to stay within 1/10th mile of an established trail."

Wait. What?? Am I the only one (besides the OP) that this is news to?


I'd argue that this is not bushwhacking at all. It's following a trail. Keeping the trail off to your left a few hundred yards, does not a bushwhack make. You could maintain a conversation with people on trail. ;)

Happy 2017 to the Hike-NH crew.

Author:  Kevin Rooney [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Bushwhack Regs??

Raven wrote:
Kathy wrote:
Saw this on NewEnglandTrailConditions from a guy who was hiking Isolation last night:

"...the leader [of an AMC group] informed me that new regulations require whacks to stay within 1/10th mile of an established trail."

Wait. What?? Am I the only one (besides the OP) that this is news to?


I'd argue that this is not bushwhacking at all. It's following a trail. Keeping the trail off to your left a few hundred yards, does not a bushwhack make. You could maintain a conversation with people on trail. ;)

Happy 2017 to the Hike-NH crew.

You're right. It's not about bushwhacking. The WMNF has a Wilderness Management Plan. See Appendix E for specifics on where a group, lead by what the USFS defines as outfitters, can go. The distance off-trail is not expressed in miles; rather in feet. The USFS typically reviews such plans about every 10 years.

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