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Copied from a FB post:

I did a sunrise hike and got to the top of Jackson. About 6+ people sleeping on the rocks there. On the way to Pierce, 3 guys sleeping on trail but we're packing up. Top of Pierce-One person packing up his tent and two others sleeping on the top. Now there are tree on those peaks but I don't consider them below treeline or 200 feet off trail. Is cowboy camping acceptable?

I volunteer with the forest service - as a back country steward. By agreement, I hike around - which I do anyway - and break apart and scatter fire rings and burnt remnants, and answer questions (I'm wearing a bright orange shirt when "on duty"). I offer a glimpse of my map quite often. What I WISH the agreement included is a ticket booklet (or a gun, but since I don't know how to shoot one that could turn out bad). Seriously! WTH????

I think I'm going to start hiking even earlier than I do, and carry a cow bell. You can never have enough cow bell. HA HA

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Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:50 pm
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Did this person have pictures? I rarely believe anything on FB. If no pics this person is in my belief stirring the pot. (Which is too easy to do lately).


Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:16 pm
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Well, if you carried a gun and fired off a few shots into the wild that would surely work as well as a cowbell! :D

If it's true however it doesn't matter how high the trees are, they are all within 200 feet of the AT, which is a legal no-no for camping.


Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:59 pm
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Well, if that makes you angry then this will boil your blood.....

Saw on the Obnoxious Hiker Facebook page a photo of a privately owned helicopter that landed on Little Haystack Saturday morning. This is no joke. There is photographic evidence. It has been reported. But it does not change the fact some a$$hole felt entitled enough to land a helicopter for apparently personal pleasure on a heavily foot-trafficked summit. :evil:

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New Hampshire wrote:
Well, if that makes you angry then this will boil your blood.....

Saw on the Obnoxious Hiker Facebook page a photo of a privately owned helicopter that landed on Little Haystack Saturday morning. This is no joke. There is photographic evidence. It has been reported. But it does not change the fact some a$$hole felt entitled enough to land a helicopter for apparently personal pleasure on a heavily foot-trafficked summit. :evil:

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Yeah. I read that. What's up with that? Surely those things are traceable...???

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Yes, from what I read the tail number was reported to an AMC volunteer (I assume at Greenleaf hut) who said he would contact authorities. People on the OH page already took the tail number from the photo and found who the owner is since that is public information.


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privately owned helicopter that landed on Little Haystack Saturday morning.

Is this ok? Allowed? Legal?

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privately owned helicopter that landed on Little Haystack Saturday morning.

Is this ok? Allowed? Legal?


I saw that too. I can't imagine that if you are not allowed to camp within 200 feet of the trail you are allowed to land on it for anything other than an emergency. If the NPS is in charge of the AT this is straight from the NPS.gov page...

[img]Because%20the%20nation’s%20airspace%20is%20managed%20by%20the%20Federal%20Aviation%20Administration%20(FAA),%20NPS%20works%20constructively%20and%20cooperatively%20with%20the%20Federal%20Aviation%20Administration%20and%20national%20defense%20and%20other%20agencies%20to%20ensure%20that%20authorized%20aviation%20activities%20affecting%20units%20of%20the%20national%20park%20system%20occur%20in%20a%20safe%20manner%20and%20do%20not%20cause%20unacceptable%20impacts%20on%20park%20resources%20and%20values%20and%20visitor%20experiences.[/img]

It would seem landing a chopper on one of the busiest sections of the AT would be bad for the environment, visitor experience and safety just to name a few things wrong with it.


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Hmm. Not sure what I did or how I F'd up the thread (sorry :oops:) but I can't fix it because the scrolling capabilities of this site don't work right.


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I agree. Short of military landing in a rescue operation or anyone i a dire emergency, I can't see how this is legal. It is akin to landing on a sidewalk really if you think of it. And if the FAA would not be cool with that, then how could they legally land on a hiking trail?


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We were staying at Lafayette Place over the weekend and heard a chopper Saturday late morning. I assumed it was for SAR or some type of training exercise since it seemed to be making loops through the notch.
I've come to realize some people are just oblivious. At LP campground there are "revegitation" signs everywhere yet people are still tramping through the woods right past the signs. Our neighbors washed their dishes
in the water tap next to the campsite which has a sign saying "don't wash dishes here". The helicopter thing is an extreme that just baffles me, I think big fines and loss of license might be on the way for that one.


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This is from the thread on VFTT.

Hi

I am friends with the owner/pilot.

He was assisting an injured hiker at the direction of the Forest Service.

So, let's all calm down and thank the guy for helping.

Jim

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This is from the thread on VFTT.

Hi I am friends with the owner/pilot. He was assisting an injured hiker at the direction of the Forest Service.
So, let's all calm down and thank the guy for helping. Jim

OK. So back to my original bitch about the summit sleepers. :roll:

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OK. So back to my original bitch about the summit sleepers.


Kill the bums! :wink:

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I've witnessed it once on Jackson. Turns out it was an AT thru hiker, not that it's a good reason, but it could be a lot of that FB post is either an exaggeration or maybe it was some thru hikers who didn't know the summit rules or just wanted to stay right near the AT. It is tough to find a place to crash for the night along the Pressie ridge, I'll give them that....

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