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 hike safe get out of rescue fee moving ahead 
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 hike safe get out of rescue fee moving ahead
http://www.unionleader.com/article/2014 ... /140129867

I predict this is going to pass in some form.


It's already OTP'ed from the parent committee, and been to a Ways & Means hearing. Supported by OHRVA, I think AMC (not sure), and F&G.
I think this is pretty close to a done deal, but if you have comments you care to voice to a legislator -

NOTE: out-of-staters are perfectly welcome to comment on bills ...

parent committee:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/c ... x?code=H42

Comments to your legislator :
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/Senate/members/wml.aspx
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/Senate/members/wml.aspx

Current bill status
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_st ... fault.aspx

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Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:20 am
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So for a one time $35 dollar fee my family is covered for life from paying rescue bills? Seems like a bargain to me and I'd buy one, but I still don't see it as a very good solution to the problem. Won't raise enough money and it'll just become another government program that takes paperwork and book keeping and can never ever go away or they won't know who paid for what down the road.


Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:47 am
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So for a one time $35 dollar fee my family is covered for life from paying rescue bills? Seems like a bargain to me and I'd buy one, but I still don't see it as a very good solution to the problem. Won't raise enough money and it'll just become another government program that takes paperwork and book keeping and can never ever go away or they won't know who paid for what down the road.


Not lifetime ...

"The annual fee for a hike safe card shall be $25 for an individual or $35 for a family."

I predict one side-effect will be an increase in fishing license sales :)

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Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:07 am
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The annual pricing thing is ridiculous considering how the other NH licenses work, and does not "make things fair and even", rather it skews it the other way. The negligence clause is still floating out there too in some versions of this bill, with no guidelines for determination.

Something needs to be done, I don't deny it, but this seems like a broken way of doing it (though interpreting the UL's text suggests a one-time purchase of a "get-out-of-jail-free-card", which is more palatable to me). They also aren't going to net nearly the money they think they will out of this, imho.

Most of those that need rescues likely won't even know about the card (you really think the Franconia Ridge flip-floppers with a cell phone for a flashlight will have a card?), and that is the heart of the problem. Slapping someone with a potentially crippling bill when possibilities abound about how they could have been better informed doesn't sit right with me.

But I'm waiting to see the final text of whatever might get passed before rendering judgement.

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Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:13 am
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I'd suggest anyone with thoughts on the bill send an email to the clerk, chair and vice chair of the committee. You dont have to be from NH to comment on a bill, and you dont have to be formal - e.g. Matt's comment would be perfectly fine.

With each step forward, changes are harder ...

clerk:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/m ... ber=376591

chair:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/m ... ber=376591

vice chair
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/m ... ber=376591

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Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:33 am
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madmattd wrote:
Most of those that need rescues likely won't even know about the card (you really think the Franconia Ridge flip-floppers with a cell phone for a flashlight will have a card?), and that is the heart of the problem. Slapping someone with a potentially crippling bill when possibilities abound about how they could have been better informed doesn't sit right with me.


I agree 100%, this is pretty much what I was going to say...although I don't think I would have thought of the "Franconia Ridge flip-floppers" remark. :lol: But it does point out the basic problem. Most of the people that would buy this card aren't the people we need to worry about.

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scooter wrote:
I predict one side-effect will be an increase in fishing license sales :)


Yep. I think $25 pp a year is actually pretty steep for this. I mentioned in another thread a little while ago I'd just buy a license instead. At least I'm guaranteed to get something out of it if I buy a fishing license, although I rarely fish myself and the sunfish the kids pull up don't require them to have a license.

One version of the bill I read did away with the negligence clause. If you needed rescue you were billed on a sliding scale based on the cost of your rescue, negligent or not, unless you had the card. IMO that's the best way to go as far as that's concerend. It might actually get a bunch of us who don't think we'll ever need rescue due to negligence to buy the thing.

Maybe they can work withthe Feds (Yeah right! Hahahahahahahaha... :lol: ) and make the parking pass be $35 a year or day passes an extra buck or two and put the extra money into the NH F&G fund. Maybe up the nightly fee at state and federal campground a buck or two and toss that into the kitty. The WMNF is afterall mostly in NH and the feds aren't the ones footing the bills for rescues.


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I don't know, I'm torn. I see the merit, but I'm concerned about the precedent. I hope the Coast Guard, police, fire, and ambulances don't gain standing for the same thing. It seems it would be hard for a judge to rule against them trying if this passes.

Also, think of the expense in trying to determine and then defend the insurer's opinion that a hiker was negligent. One case could bankrupt the entire idea.

I suppose I'm not torn after all. I'm against it.

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Cracky wrote:
I don't know, I'm torn. I see the merit, but I'm concerned about the precedent. I hope the Coast Guard, police, fire, and ambulances don't gain standing for the same thing. It seems it would be hard for a judge to rule against them trying if this passes.

Also, think of the expense in trying to determine and then defend the insurer's opinion that a hiker was negligent. One case could bankrupt the entire idea.

I suppose I'm not torn after all. I'm against it.


On the other extreme, would it be possible for someone to come back and say I paid for the rescue, did not receive the service I paid for (i.e. quick rescue), it resulted in an injury and now I am going to sue?

To be honest, I did not read the bill or any fine print so verbiage might exist that takes care of this. At least I would hope so.

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